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How far back does this society's written history go? | How far back does this society's written history go? | ||
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Its only sentient inhabitants, the Sarseians, suddenly came into existence a mere several hundred Sarseian years ago. | Its only sentient inhabitants, the Sarseians, suddenly came into existence a mere several hundred Sarseian years ago. | ||
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I intend this to be an 'open world', so if you have ideas for history for places, or world events even, let me know. I'm more than willing to try to work things into the world. Feel free to make suggestions. | I intend this to be an 'open world', so if you have ideas for history for places, or world events even, let me know. I'm more than willing to try to work things into the world. Feel free to make suggestions. | ||
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The Myth | ===The Myth=== | ||
Age 1 | ===Age 1=== | ||
The Calamity | ===The Calamity=== | ||
After the Calamity | ===After the Calamity=== | ||
Individual Cities' progression after Calamity | ===Individual Cities' progression after Calamity=== | ||
Pantheon | ===Pantheon=== | ||
Deities | ===Deities=== | ||
Gods | ===Gods=== | ||
Idols | ===Idols=== | ||
===RAW=== | |||
Totus: A good rough cuts rule of thumb is every step in a global chain of events takes at least a year in non techy workds, and at least four months in A techy world | Totus: A good rough cuts rule of thumb is every step in a global chain of events takes at least a year in non techy workds, and at least four months in A techy world | ||
National chain of events steps take at least a month or two, or three or so weeks techy. | National chain of events steps take at least a month or two, or three or so weeks techy. | ||
Regional a couple weeks to four, a weeks etc | Regional a couple weeks to four, a weeks etc | ||
Totus: These arent hard rules, but a good start point | Totus: These arent hard rules, but a good start point | ||
Totus: Techy goes faster because more people get more info faster so emergancies and dire measures propogate faster | Totus: Techy goes faster because more people get more info faster so emergancies and dire measures propogate faster | ||
Kurin: *nodnod* | Kurin: *nodnod* | ||
Totus: But thats not always the case | Totus: But thats not always the case | ||
Totus: What kind of event you wondering about | Totus: What kind of event you wondering about | ||
Totus: (oh also any of thesesteps can be much much longer) | Totus: (oh also any of thesesteps can be much much longer) | ||
Kurin: it's also a bit weird cause Sarseians got a pretty big starting-boost as far as genesis. They literally were created by a hyperdimensional 'god' and placed on a planet specifically created for them to thrive. | |||
Kurin: it's also a bit weird cause Sarseians got a pretty big starting-boost as far as genesis. They literally were created by a | |||
hyperdimensional 'god' and placed on a planet specifically created for them to thrive. | |||
Totus: Ah youre planning civilization development? | Totus: Ah youre planning civilization development? | ||
Totus: Well creation is utterly dependent on the super being. Snap fingers and fwoosh a planet or can low ball it and say it takes them an entire seven days. Or can go full supernortal and say it took em centuries | |||
Kurin: yeah, just general beats, though. Like, current timeline of worldwide events is: Creation, Population Spreads, Artifacts Secured, | |||
A Calamity, An Age of Peace, Rifts Form, Today. | |||
Totus: Well creation is utterly dependent on the super being. Snap fingers and fwoosh a planet or can low ball it and say it takes them an | |||
entire seven days. Or can go full supernortal and say it took em centuries | |||
Totus: Population spreads is tricky. | Totus: Population spreads is tricky. | ||
On the one hand abundant resources will increase birth rates, but, itll also drastically reducenot only their travel until they run out of resources, but also drastically reduce their rate of advancement. | |||
On the one hand abundant resources will increase birth rates, but, itll also drastically reducenot only their travel until they run out of | |||
resources, but also drastically reduce their rate of advancement. | |||
But once their starting area is barren wastes from over noms theyll spread out fast, but perhaps chaoticallh | But once their starting area is barren wastes from over noms theyll spread out fast, but perhaps chaoticallh | ||
Totus: Okay found a baseline population spread rate | Totus: Okay found a baseline population spread rate | ||
Totus: Humanity was rendered endangered about 60,000 years ago. The only survivors were about 12-30 thousand people in what is now south afrika | |||
Totus: Humanity was rendered endangered about 60,000 years ago. The only survivors were about 12-30 thousand people in what is now south | |||
afrika | |||
Egypts kingdoms founded around six thousand years ago, unifying into egypt around five ish thousand years ago | Egypts kingdoms founded around six thousand years ago, unifying into egypt around five ish thousand years ago | ||
Totus: So it took lets say rough cuts lets say 50,000 years for tribals to expand from bottom to top of africa and establish writing, law, and pottery | |||
Totus: So it took lets say rough cuts lets say 50,000 years for tribals to expand from bottom to top of africa and establish writing, law, | |||
and pottery | |||
Totus: A nice round number to work with | Totus: A nice round number to work with | ||
Kurin: so I'm just gonna try to explain things as short as possible but: | Kurin: so I'm just gonna try to explain things as short as possible but: | ||
Kurin: the 'god' created their world with artifacts that help them grow technologically, each artifact is capable of giving them clues for things like advanced written languages, building materials, agricultural advancements, etc. The Sarseians themselves were created en-mass, and were immediately given instruction, knowledge bestowed, like the ability to speak, write (crudely), and knowledge on how their bodies work, etc. and instructions on the general location of these artifacts. But since that time there has been zero contact from the god. So there's no 'maybe god exists' type faith, as they have written proof from thousands of individuals, plus concrete proof in the form of the artifacts. | |||
Kurin: the 'god' created their world with artifacts that help them grow technologically, each artifact is capable of giving them clues for | |||
things like advanced written languages, building materials, agricultural advancements, etc. The Sarseians themselves were created en- | |||
mass, and were immediately given instruction, knowledge bestowed, like the ability to speak, write (crudely), and knowledge on how their | |||
bodies work, etc. and instructions on the general location of these artifacts. But since that time there has been zero contact from the | |||
god. So there's no 'maybe god exists' type faith, as they have written proof from thousands of individuals, plus concrete proof in the | |||
form of the artifacts. | |||
Totus: Hmmmm... Tricky indeed | Totus: Hmmmm... Tricky indeed | ||
Totus: Generally faith in a god hamstrings development outside of art. And even that becomes recursive, however the tech loot drops would move things along... | |||
Totus: Generally faith in a god hamstrings development outside of art. And even that becomes recursive, however the tech loot drops would | |||
move things along... | |||
Trick is beyond a certain level tech takes lotsa work, see Dr Stone and multiply by 100. | Trick is beyond a certain level tech takes lotsa work, see Dr Stone and multiply by 100. | ||
So itd be tricky to motivate people to go out and find the things, trickier to build the infrastructure and industry needed to make use of more advanced things. | |||
So itd be tricky to motivate people to go out and find the things, trickier to build the infrastructure and industry needed to make use of | |||
more advanced things. | |||
However, any writing system and instruction would HAVE to be a huge leg up to jump start the beginning | However, any writing system and instruction would HAVE to be a huge leg up to jump start the beginning | ||
Totus: Oh also this god is all about them getting more advanced | Totus: Oh also this god is all about them getting more advanced | ||
Totus: Call it a bit faster than humans. Maybe say.... 30,000 years to be all over the globe? | Totus: Call it a bit faster than humans. Maybe say.... 30,000 years to be all over the globe? | ||
Totus: Well thats twice as fast but | Totus: Well thats twice as fast but | ||
Kurin: yup. It's kind of an out-of-necessity thing. He knew the Calamity and RIfts would happen, so in order to make it so the Sarseians wouldn't be completely and utterly wiped out when the first Rift happened, he needed to boost their development, hard. | |||
Kurin: yup. It's kind of an out-of-necessity thing. He knew the Calamity and RIfts would happen, so in order to make it so the Sarseians | |||
wouldn't be completely and utterly wiped out when the first Rift happened, he needed to boost their development, hard. | |||
Totus: Ahhh a religious faith to find the shiny tech boxes and capitalize on them or die! That could be faster | Totus: Ahhh a religious faith to find the shiny tech boxes and capitalize on them or die! That could be faster | ||
Totus: Prrrrobly a few set backs of the usual religious maniacs but probly trim it down to 20,000 years | Totus: Prrrrobly a few set backs of the usual religious maniacs but probly trim it down to 20,000 years | ||
Kurin: of course he couldn't just tell them 'yeah this event is going to happen in 20,000 years. Be prepared'. The whole point is not to know, but to be prepared anyway. | |||
Kurin: of course he couldn't just tell them 'yeah this event is going to happen in 20,000 years. Be prepared'. The whole point is not to | |||
know, but to be prepared anyway. | |||
Totus: Mmmm 25,000 maybe then | Totus: Mmmm 25,000 maybe then | ||
Totus: Harder to motivate with vague threats, thats why christianity invented hell in the dark ages | Totus: Harder to motivate with vague threats, thats why christianity invented hell in the dark ages | ||
Kurin: would 25k be long enough that 'proof' of a god turns to 'faith'? Because I definitely want to avoid that. | Kurin: would 25k be long enough that 'proof' of a god turns to 'faith'? Because I definitely want to avoid that. | ||
Totus: Now thats a fuckin tricky one. | Totus: Now thats a fuckin tricky one. | ||
One thousand years could be enough for fakers to be taken as faith (at least one of the religions has to be wrong irl and all of them had a faithful following in 1000 years) | |||
One thousand years could be enough for fakers to be taken as faith (at least one of the religions has to be wrong irl and all of them had | |||
a faithful following in 1000 years) | |||
Buuuuuuttttt.... If they KEEP finding proof, i.e. more shiny tech boxes, that should prevent that from getting too much traction | Buuuuuuttttt.... If they KEEP finding proof, i.e. more shiny tech boxes, that should prevent that from getting too much traction | ||
Totus: Youd probly end up with a few cults and all, but thats kind if a given. | Totus: Youd probly end up with a few cults and all, but thats kind if a given. | ||
Totus: Yeah if theyre still standing there and every fifty years they go "hey, ya tried blowing fire over the coals with a big squeeze box? Might be neeaaat!" Thatd probly still work | |||
Kurin: that's sorta one of the reasons I had the artifacts. Though it's less 'thousands dotted around the globe' and more '13 monolithic | |||
objects that dole out more information as needed' | |||
Totus: Yeah if theyre still standing there and every fifty years they go "hey, ya tried blowing fire over the coals with a big squeeze | |||
box? Might be neeaaat!" Thatd probly still work | |||
Totus: Id budget for them to break at least one of them tho | Totus: Id budget for them to break at least one of them tho | ||
Totus: First rule of design, the user wont follow the instructions. | Totus: First rule of design, the user wont follow the instructions. | ||
Second rule of design, they will find a way to break it | Second rule of design, they will find a way to break it | ||
Kurin: heh X3 | Kurin: heh X3 | ||
Kurin: the 13 artifacts I had come up with were: | Kurin: the 13 artifacts I had come up with were: | ||
Totus: Heh, but yeah hes a hyper smart guy. I bet he has a system for the other 12 to take up some slack if they break one | Totus: Heh, but yeah hes a hyper smart guy. I bet he has a system for the other 12 to take up some slack if they break one | ||
Kurin: All of these artifacts would be made out of a nearly-indestructable material (Think Graphene), and are far too large for even an excavation team to move. | |||
Kurin: All of these artifacts would be made out of a nearly-indestructable material (Think Graphene), and are far too large for even an | |||
excavation team to move. | |||
Agriculture - An aqueduct network with seemingly no end to clean, fertile water. | Agriculture - An aqueduct network with seemingly no end to clean, fertile water. | ||
Architecture - Massive library with thousands of blueprints, once it's proven they understand what they're trying to make, they're given access to it. | |||
Architecture - Massive library with thousands of blueprints, once it's proven they understand what they're trying to make, they're given | |||
access to it. | |||
Body Energy - Two of these, one on either pole. Helps them learn mental/ethereal style magics, helps heal magical ailments. | Body Energy - Two of these, one on either pole. Helps them learn mental/ethereal style magics, helps heal magical ailments. | ||
Communication - Pair of parabolic dishes on either side of a massive chasm. Also imbues knowledge at random if one is standing inside it. | Communication - Pair of parabolic dishes on either side of a massive chasm. Also imbues knowledge at random if one is standing inside it. | ||
Culture/Art - 'Room of Requirement'-esque set of chambers specifically designed to aid focus and creativity, honing the ability to picture a creation in one's mind, and hone the body in order to create it. | |||
Culture/Art - 'Room of Requirement'-esque set of chambers specifically designed to aid focus and creativity, honing the ability to picture | |||
a creation in one's mind, and hone the body in order to create it. | |||
Fertility - Massive crystal with an aura that exponentially boosts fertility and virility the closer you get to it. | Fertility - Massive crystal with an aura that exponentially boosts fertility and virility the closer you get to it. | ||
Hedonism - Essentially a source of morale boost, never-ending (weak) wine from a fountain. | Hedonism - Essentially a source of morale boost, never-ending (weak) wine from a fountain. | ||
Medicine - Stasis pods, medical research facility, clean-room. | Medicine - Stasis pods, medical research facility, clean-room. | ||
Military - Time-limited nanite suit assembly chamber (suit degrades after a week, and only creates one suit per day) | Military - Time-limited nanite suit assembly chamber (suit degrades after a week, and only creates one suit per day) | ||
Naturism - Helps explain how different biomes and species coexist, cooperate and helps with symbiosis | Naturism - Helps explain how different biomes and species coexist, cooperate and helps with symbiosis | ||
Research - Robotically-assisted facility that helps individuals figure out technology. Engineer's playground. | Research - Robotically-assisted facility that helps individuals figure out technology. Engineer's playground. | ||
Spirit - Massive telescope and observation dome on top of a mountain. Helps them contemplate the cosmos, where they came from, their purpose, etc. | |||
Spirit - Massive telescope and observation dome on top of a mountain. Helps them contemplate the cosmos, where they came from, their | |||
purpose, etc. | |||
Kurin: oh, also, Sarseians live a LOT longer than humans. roughly 270 years. | Kurin: oh, also, Sarseians live a LOT longer than humans. roughly 270 years. | ||
Totus: Sorry life a bit | Totus: Sorry life a bit | ||
Totus: The longer life span would likely slow down development a bit but would also ensure less was lost during set backs or collapses. So a slower but far steadier advance it sounds like | |||
Totus: The longer life span would likely slow down development a bit but would also ensure less was lost during set backs or collapses. So | |||
a slower but far steadier advance it sounds like | |||
Totus: I am guessing the artifacts are intended to be discovered in roughly that order? Or close to it | Totus: I am guessing the artifacts are intended to be discovered in roughly that order? Or close to it | ||
Kurin: it's more of a 'everyone spreads out and discovers them at the same time, and builds cities around them' thing | Kurin: it's more of a 'everyone spreads out and discovers them at the same time, and builds cities around them' thing | ||
Totus: Ahh. I imagine that caused some troubles | Totus: Ahh. I imagine that caused some troubles | ||
Totus: Suddenly someone has the best food and another has the best wine and another has the best tools.... And one has the best military | Totus: Suddenly someone has the best food and another has the best wine and another has the best tools.... And one has the best military | ||
Totus: On the other hand thats kinda brilliant | Totus: On the other hand thats kinda brilliant | ||
Totus: Nothing teaches faster than war | Totus: Nothing teaches faster than war | ||
Kurin: the last bit is why I specifically added the limitations to the nanite supersuit thing. Very limited effective range and numbers. And even once better transport is created, still limited numbers. | |||
Kurin: the last bit is why I specifically added the limitations to the nanite supersuit thing. Very limited effective range and numbers. | |||
And even once better transport is created, still limited numbers. | |||
Totus: Although i should ask. What is this calamity they are being prepared for? | Totus: Although i should ask. What is this calamity they are being prepared for? | ||
Streams of nightmare creatures? An eldritch empire from the rift? Or is it more a scientific based threat where theyll have to seal it away or deal with the environmental changes | |||
Streams of nightmare creatures? An eldritch empire from the rift? Or is it more a scientific based threat where theyll have to seal it | |||
away or deal with the environmental changes | |||
Totus: What calamity comes out of the rifts | Totus: What calamity comes out of the rifts | ||
Totus: They may not know, but the super being mustve had a rough idea | Totus: They may not know, but the super being mustve had a rough idea | ||
Kurin: I honestly haven't figured that out yet, only that a small group (effectively high level adventurers) is able to prevent it from wiping out civilization. the rifts are their own thing, separate from the calamity. | |||
Kurin: I honestly haven't figured that out yet, only that a small group (effectively high level adventurers) is able to prevent it from | |||
wiping out civilization. the rifts are their own thing, separate from the calamity. | |||
Totus: Hmmm so its a thing that can be fought. That does narrow it down actually | Totus: Hmmm so its a thing that can be fought. That does narrow it down actually | ||
Totus: Wont be an anomaly like The Black Moon's Howl or He Whom The Stars Wait For. | Totus: Wont be an anomaly like The Black Moon's Howl or He Whom The Stars Wait For. | ||
Likely some eldritch monster or group of monsters, maybe a small army/swarm... Unless these adventurers are meant to be interplanetary grade weaponry | |||
Likely some eldritch monster or group of monsters, maybe a small army/swarm... Unless these adventurers are meant to be interplanetary | |||
grade weaponry | |||
Kurin: the latter seems like something probable | Kurin: the latter seems like something probable | ||
Kurin: Calamity age is supposed to be roughly medieval time period. Classic D&D age. It's now early-industrial era. | Kurin: Calamity age is supposed to be roughly medieval time period. Classic D&D age. It's now early-industrial era. | ||
Totus: Oooh, a calamity showing up late, thats rarely good | Totus: Oooh, a calamity showing up late, thats rarely good | ||
Kurin: well, 'late' only because their precursor prepared them. | Kurin: well, 'late' only because their precursor prepared them. | ||
Totus: The calamity held off because they were prepared? | Totus: The calamity held off because they were prepared? | ||
Kurin: had they just been plunked down on the planet entirely to fend for themselves, they'd probably have still been in hunter-gatherer age. | |||
Kurin: had they just been plunked down on the planet entirely to fend for themselves, they'd probably have still been in hunter-gatherer | |||
age. | |||
Totus: Oh wait i see | Totus: Oh wait i see | ||
Totus: The calamity isnt late, the civilization is early | Totus: The calamity isnt late, the civilization is early | ||
Kurin: exactly | Kurin: exactly | ||
Totus: Gotchya | Totus: Gotchya | ||
Totus: Interesting. The calamity isnt altering its arrival, speeding up to catch them, because of their preparation, so its likely either | Totus: Interesting. The calamity isnt altering its arrival, speeding up to catch them, because of their preparation, so its likely either | ||
A: not intelligent... Or at least not as we understand it. | A: not intelligent... Or at least not as we understand it. | ||
B: unable to control when it arrives | B: unable to control when it arrives | ||
Or | Or | ||
C: doesnt feel like their prep time matters | C: doesnt feel like their prep time matters | ||
Totus: As batman has shown us all, never allow your target preptime | Totus: As batman has shown us all, never allow your target preptime | ||
Totus: Oh or D: it is unable to observe them and has no idea | Totus: Oh or D: it is unable to observe them and has no idea | ||
Totus: Id say one of these must be true | Totus: Id say one of these must be true | ||
Kurin: Probably A, B, and D. | Kurin: Probably A, B, and D. | ||
Kurin: like some sort of space-plagueswarm or something. | Kurin: like some sort of space-plagueswarm or something. | ||
Totus: Lets further narrow it down | Totus: Lets further narrow it down | ||
Why did multiverse superbro not bitchslap it himself? | Why did multiverse superbro not bitchslap it himself? | ||
Totus: Note, if we examine the edges of the threat we can get a good idea of what it is | Totus: Note, if we examine the edges of the threat we can get a good idea of what it is | ||
Kurin: Because he doesn't care if the calamity happens (it'd pass them and continue onward whether they existed or not), but he wanted HIS species to survive. | |||
Kurin: like, picture a ripple in a big pool. The ripple is going to continue onward whether there's an obstruction or not. But if the obstruction is small enough, it'll be obliterated by the ripple. | |||
Kurin: Because he doesn't care if the calamity happens (it'd pass them and continue onward whether they existed or not), but he wanted HIS | |||
species to survive. | |||
Kurin: like, picture a ripple in a big pool. The ripple is going to continue onward whether there's an obstruction or not. But if the | |||
obstruction is small enough, it'll be obliterated by the ripple. | |||
Totus: So he cant stop it then | Totus: So he cant stop it then | ||
Totus: I mean, thatd be the big fix to ensure his people make it. | Totus: I mean, thatd be the big fix to ensure his people make it. | ||
Kurin: Right, can't stop it, just ensure that his creation doesn't get destroyed before it can get going. | Kurin: Right, can't stop it, just ensure that his creation doesn't get destroyed before it can get going. | ||
Totus: Would you call mr multiverse's powers more technological, mystical, or an even blend | Totus: Would you call mr multiverse's powers more technological, mystical, or an even blend | ||
Kurin: a blend | Kurin: a blend | ||
Totus: Note !SCIENCE! Might qualify for mystical if its wacky ebough | Totus: Note !SCIENCE! Might qualify for mystical if its wacky ebough | ||
Totus: Iiiinteresing *scribbles* | Totus: Iiiinteresing *scribbles* | ||
Totus: Reviewing the artifacts real fast | Totus: Reviewing the artifacts real fast | ||
Totus: Would you say these magics are based heavily on the mind and soul? | Totus: Would you say these magics are based heavily on the mind and soul? | ||
Psionics and Soulbound stuff? | Psionics and Soulbound stuff? | ||
Totus: Rather than more wide spread things like leylines and planatary alchemy and astrological? | Totus: Rather than more wide spread things like leylines and planatary alchemy and astrological? | ||
Kurin: more widespread. If you don't mind a bit of a read, I can link you to info about how their magic works. | Kurin: more widespread. If you don't mind a bit of a read, I can link you to info about how their magic works. | ||
Totus: Itd help. I might know the threat | Totus: Itd help. I might know the threat | ||
Kurin: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12irh5a_8uhwiTh5XOt6_iiBmfL567TTICadZ-U_fwPI/edit#heading=h.8nwik31g4tg3 | Kurin: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12irh5a_8uhwiTh5XOt6_iiBmfL567TTICadZ-U_fwPI/edit#heading=h.8nwik31g4tg3 | ||
Totus: It depends entirely on if their magic comes from themselves or their environs | Totus: It depends entirely on if their magic comes from themselves or their environs | ||
Kurin: Sharinnah-Okoti Organs, and the Kirat sections. | Kurin: Sharinnah-Okoti Organs, and the Kirat sections. | ||
Kurin: the answer to that is 'yes' XD | Kurin: the answer to that is 'yes' XD | ||
Totus: Mmm | Totus: Mmm | ||
So to line up my theory | So to line up my theory | ||
Totus: This being is absurdly potent but something about this threat he cant handle | Totus: This being is absurdly potent but something about this threat he cant handle | ||
Sooo.... Either A the Sars are doomed, or its a threat Captain Verse is particularly not effective against. But its not necessarily more powerful than himself | |||
So itd stand to reason he would raise this civ specifically to either not have that weakness, or to have a strength that was effective where his own is not | Sooo.... Either A the Sars are doomed, or its a threat Captain Verse is particularly not effective against. But its not necessarily more | ||
powerful than himself | |||
So itd stand to reason he would raise this civ specifically to either not have that weakness, or to have a strength that was effective | |||
where his own is not | |||
Totus: So my thinking is its some kindof eldritch swarm that nulls or consumes environmental magic like a black hole eats light | Totus: So my thinking is its some kindof eldritch swarm that nulls or consumes environmental magic like a black hole eats light | ||
Totus: With half his abilities hamstrung, he cant really deal with it | Totus: With half his abilities hamstrung, he cant really deal with it | ||
Totus: But a race that has learned a different way to fight... Might | Totus: But a race that has learned a different way to fight... Might | ||
Totus: Eldritch clockwork swarm of order and consumption | Totus: Eldritch clockwork swarm of order and consumption | ||
Kurin: this might actually be perfect. | Kurin: this might actually be perfect. | ||
Totus: Devour all and bring it unto order of a clockworked and deterministic universe | Totus: Devour all and bring it unto order of a clockworked and deterministic universe | ||
Kurin: specifically, because this is set in D&D mythos, where Weave magic is a thing. Except on Sarsei, weave magic is NOT possible. | Kurin: specifically, because this is set in D&D mythos, where Weave magic is a thing. Except on Sarsei, weave magic is NOT possible. | ||
Totus: Which is weave magic again | Totus: Which is weave magic again | ||
Kurin: so perhaps the Sarseians failed, but rather than being wiped out, they managed to survive but have no link to Weave magic. | Kurin: so perhaps the Sarseians failed, but rather than being wiped out, they managed to survive but have no link to Weave magic. | ||
Kurin: literally any and all D&D magic. | Kurin: literally any and all D&D magic. | ||
Totus: Ahh | Totus: Ahh | ||
Kurin: https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Weave | Kurin: https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Weave | ||
Totus: But yeah. So the old god has weave magic and super tech... But without the weave magic or it being unable to work on the threat, soooo he raises a new race with new magics | |||
Totus: Sure when the apocalypse comes some of the magics fail, some lights fail, some spell containers explode, but unlike most civilizations the Sars still retain most of their magic and all their technology | |||
Totus: But yeah. So the old god has weave magic and super tech... But without the weave magic or it being unable to work on the threat, | |||
soooo he raises a new race with new magics | |||
Totus: Sure when the apocalypse comes some of the magics fail, some lights fail, some spell containers explode, but unlike most | |||
civilizations the Sars still retain most of their magic and all their technology | |||
Totus: (no system being perfect of course) | Totus: (no system being perfect of course) | ||
Totus: Plus in time the Sars would need to venture forth and fight back on worlds that did fall. But rather than victims they are now contenders | |||
Kurin: exactly, yes. It'd still be a calamity, and maybe some magic-eaters are riding the wave and THAT would have destroyed them, but | |||
the 'Saints' (the adventuring party that saved them) managed to fend them off. | |||
Totus: Plus in time the Sars would need to venture forth and fight back on worlds that did fall. But rather than victims they are now | |||
contenders | |||
Totus: So the adventures continue! | Totus: So the adventures continue! | ||
Totus: (which is always a solid way to end a good story) | Totus: (which is always a solid way to end a good story) | ||
Kurin: so, that still means I have to figure out what sort of thing the Saints would be able to defeat. | Kurin: so, that still means I have to figure out what sort of thing the Saints would be able to defeat. | ||
Totus: Well this is doable really | Totus: Well this is doable really | ||
Totus: Just a matter of scaling and how much oomph the heroes have | Totus: Just a matter of scaling and how much oomph the heroes have | ||
Totus: Also how much artillery support the military can give them | Totus: Also how much artillery support the military can give them | ||
Totus: Never underestimate how much fire support can help the heroes | Totus: Never underestimate how much fire support can help the heroes | ||
Kurin: true, yeah. | Kurin: true, yeah. | ||
Totus: The multiverse god did raise a civilization after all | Totus: The multiverse god did raise a civilization after all | ||
Totus: Even if their main job is evacuations, they can probably still fight back a little | Totus: Even if their main job is evacuations, they can probably still fight back a little | ||
Kurin: but yeah, how many years do you think it'd take a civilization like that to go from 'early medieval' to 'a lot of civilization needs to be rebuilt' to 'early industrial'? | |||
Kurin: but yeah, how many years do you think it'd take a civilization like that to go from 'early medieval' to 'a lot of civilization | |||
needs to be rebuilt' to 'early industrial'? | |||
Totus: (i love reminding evangelion fans that the gemstone angel was killed with human tech, an eva just pulled the trigger) | Totus: (i love reminding evangelion fans that the gemstone angel was killed with human tech, an eva just pulled the trigger) | ||
Totus: Well depends on a lot really buuuut.... | Totus: Well depends on a lot really buuuut.... | ||
Totus: Without dark ages can probably jump right from roman empire to renaissance honestly | Totus: Without dark ages can probably jump right from roman empire to renaissance honestly | ||
Totus: Maybe a one hundred year gap for tech and figuring out some social issues | Totus: Maybe a one hundred year gap for tech and figuring out some social issues | ||
Totus: Call it 200-300 years from late bronze/early iron to the first factories | Totus: Call it 200-300 years from late bronze/early iron to the first factories | ||
Totus: Cut that in half if they get a step by step guide on what an assembly line is | Totus: Cut that in half if they get a step by step guide on what an assembly line is | ||
Totus: Roman roads and water ducts work fine after all | Totus: Roman roads and water ducts work fine after all | ||
Totus: Add electricity and youre done | Totus: Add electricity and youre done | ||
Kurin: so, starting from 'now' and working backwards... | Kurin: so, starting from 'now' and working backwards... | ||
Totus: Internet? Laser defenses? Short range plasma throwers? Drome swarms? Now now? | Totus: Internet? Laser defenses? Short range plasma throwers? Drome swarms? Now now? | ||
Totus: Another 300 id say with their tech help | Totus: Another 300 id say with their tech help | ||
Totus: Eventually theyll outpace the artifacts teaching speed | Totus: Eventually theyll outpace the artifacts teaching speed | ||
Totus: 13 teachers babbling like auctioneers couldnt explain all the tech we develop at the rate we do now | Totus: 13 teachers babbling like auctioneers couldnt explain all the tech we develop at the rate we do now | ||
Kurin: well, 'today' on Sarsei is early-industrial. Dieselpunk-ish. And probably they're at the limits as to what the artifacts can teach. | |||
Kurin: well, 'today' on Sarsei is early-industrial. Dieselpunk-ish. And probably they're at the limits as to what the artifacts can | |||
teach. | |||
Kurin: the most recent event to have occurred in the past is the Rifts. | Kurin: the most recent event to have occurred in the past is the Rifts. | ||
Totus: With the nano suits and a few other advanced techs i suspect they have a few more outlier techs | Totus: With the nano suits and a few other advanced techs i suspect they have a few more outlier techs | ||
Totus: Aircraft likely | Totus: Aircraft likely | ||
Totus: Nano studies wouldve revealed composites i suspect | Totus: Nano studies wouldve revealed composites i suspect | ||
Kurin: definitely, but until they can figure out how to reverse engineer stuff, they'll be stuck in Dieselpunk for a while. | Kurin: definitely, but until they can figure out how to reverse engineer stuff, they'll be stuck in Dieselpunk for a while. | ||
Totus: WWI ish? | Totus: WWI ish? | ||
Kurin: Rifts are fleeting portals that open up for just long enough to spit someone out from another plane/dimension. They seem to be caused by periods of extreme emotion (good OR bad), and rip the Outsider from their time and plane and drop them, stranded, on Sarsei, with no way back (because Weave doesn't work, so none of their own magic works). The Rifts tend to appear in or around populated areas, in gaps where there's no living matter (so you would never have a rift rip someone in half), and the traveler is not harmed in any way (other than maybe if they were dropped a few feet from the floor upside down or whatever). | |||
Kurin: Rifts are fleeting portals that open up for just long enough to spit someone out from another plane/dimension. They seem to be | |||
caused by periods of extreme emotion (good OR bad), and rip the Outsider from their time and plane and drop them, stranded, on Sarsei, | |||
with no way back (because Weave doesn't work, so none of their own magic works). The Rifts tend to appear in or around populated areas, | |||
in gaps where there's no living matter (so you would never have a rift rip someone in half), and the traveler is not harmed in any way | |||
(other than maybe if they were dropped a few feet from the floor upside down or whatever). | |||
Totus: The rifts not liking living matter suits the clockwork idea well too heh | Totus: The rifts not liking living matter suits the clockwork idea well too heh | ||
Totus: Mmm. Do people ever get pulled in or fall into the rifts? | Totus: Mmm. Do people ever get pulled in or fall into the rifts? | ||
Totus: From Sarsei side i mean | Totus: From Sarsei side i mean | ||
Kurin: Some examples of Dieselpunk: Indiana Jones, Captain America, Rocketeer, Legend of Korra, Bioshock, FF7, Fallout, a lot of Ghibli films, FMA | |||
Kurin: Some examples of Dieselpunk: Indiana Jones, Captain America, Rocketeer, Legend of Korra, Bioshock, FF7, Fallout, a lot of Ghibli | |||
films, FMA | |||
Kurin: no, they're one-way exits from the Sarsei side. Occasionally more than one Outsider will be pulled through to the Sarsei side. | Kurin: no, they're one-way exits from the Sarsei side. Occasionally more than one Outsider will be pulled through to the Sarsei side. | ||
Totus: Mmmm travelers, friendlies, enemies, just here, all three? | Totus: Mmmm travelers, friendlies, enemies, just here, all three? | ||
Totus: Does normal wild life ever fall through? Someones mosstupus cow wander in? | Totus: Does normal wild life ever fall through? Someones mosstupus cow wander in? | ||
Kurin: like, Bob watches his wife die to a robber, is stricken with such intense grief that it causes a rift to form, drags him through, he grabs onto his wife's body to try and stay on his home plane, but the rift takes him and his wife, plops them both on Sarsei, and immediately closes behind them. | |||
Kurin: like, Bob watches his wife die to a robber, is stricken with such intense grief that it causes a rift to form, drags him through, | |||
he grabs onto his wife's body to try and stay on his home plane, but the rift takes him and his wife, plops them both on Sarsei, and | |||
immediately closes behind them. | |||
Totus: Oooof yikes. Thats one mean rift | Totus: Oooof yikes. Thats one mean rift | ||
Kurin: only if someone drags it through with them. Otherwise, no. They're not permanent fixtures. | Kurin: only if someone drags it through with them. Otherwise, no. They're not permanent fixtures. | ||
Kurin: they open, drag through, and close entirely in random places. | Kurin: they open, drag through, and close entirely in random places. | ||
Totus: Well i think it might be somewhere between rockateer, captain america, and bioshock. The wide array of odd biologies and knowledge bases from other worlds to study would probably result in a few weird outlier technologies, like rocket jump packs or (reasonable)genetic augmentation | |||
Totus: Well i think it might be somewhere between rockateer, captain america, and bioshock. The wide array of odd biologies and knowledge | |||
bases from other worlds to study would probably result in a few weird outlier technologies, like rocket jump packs or (reasonable)genetic | |||
augmentation | |||
Totus: The Sars have proven talented at learning from others after all | Totus: The Sars have proven talented at learning from others after all | ||
Kurin: So it'd take maybe 50 years for the earliest Rifted outsiders to integrate into Sarseian society? | Kurin: So it'd take maybe 50 years for the earliest Rifted outsiders to integrate into Sarseian society? | ||
Kurin: or less, like, 20 years? | Kurin: or less, like, 20 years? | ||
Totus: Fully? Probly about right. At least long enough for the hub bub to settle down | Totus: Fully? Probly about right. At least long enough for the hub bub to settle down | ||
Totus: 20 years theyd likely have jobs and be living after the govs were done prodding and asking questions | Totus: 20 years theyd likely have jobs and be living after the govs were done prodding and asking questions | ||
Kurin: Rifts are an ongoing thing, just that it's slowed down over time. | Kurin: Rifts are an ongoing thing, just that it's slowed down over time. | ||
Totus: Id also imagine that the worlds militaries note the rifts and are suspicious it might be a sign of imminent doom | Totus: Id also imagine that the worlds militaries note the rifts and are suspicious it might be a sign of imminent doom | ||
Totus: 'Great Calamity is coming' | Totus: 'Great Calamity is coming' | ||
'Rifts are bringing weird shit' | 'Rifts are bringing weird shit' | ||
General, we might wanna stockpile some rockets | General, we might wanna stockpile some rockets | ||
Kurin: so, like, if it's 20 years ago that they started, it was probably 100-200 a day across the world, and down to 1-2 a day now. | Kurin: so, like, if it's 20 years ago that they started, it was probably 100-200 a day across the world, and down to 1-2 a day now. | ||
Totus: To qoute Abridged Cell "OMINOUS!" | Totus: To qoute Abridged Cell "OMINOUS!" | ||
Kurin: yeah, the lowering of frequency of rifts would be just as ominous as if they were increasing in frequency. | Kurin: yeah, the lowering of frequency of rifts would be just as ominous as if they were increasing in frequency. | ||
Totus: Everyone likes a good count down | Totus: Everyone likes a good count down | ||
Totus: Sure and hey, now that "Frank" the weird hairless monkey has finished his exit interview with the military he has some cool ideas about steam tube calculatrons! | |||
Kurin: so probably 20 years ago is the 'ideal' time for them to have started? It'd be a common thing now, people know how to deal with | |||
it, how to help the Outsiders integrate into society, etc? | |||
Totus: Sure and hey, now that "Frank" the weird hairless monkey has finished his exit interview with the military he has some cool ideas | |||
about steam tube calculatrons! | |||
Totus: "Hire him!" | Totus: "Hire him!" | ||
Totus: Or "request his services" | Totus: Or "request his services" | ||
Dunno how your society handles jobs | Dunno how your society handles jobs | ||
Kurin: *nodnod* will be going over that at some point soon X3 | Kurin: *nodnod* will be going over that at some point soon X3 | ||
Totus: Since most copyrights came from the obelisks for centuries id doubt a pure capitalist society could be a thing. | Totus: Since most copyrights came from the obelisks for centuries id doubt a pure capitalist society could be a thing. | ||
On the other hand planned economies stagnate and nultiverse man would not allow a chance of that | On the other hand planned economies stagnate and nultiverse man would not allow a chance of that | ||
Totus: But thats assuming money is even a thing | Totus: But thats assuming money is even a thing | ||
Totus: But yes. 20 years | Totus: But yes. 20 years | ||
Totus: Just enough time that the gov has developed a system to interview, examine, confirm not a threat, and issue housing and job application papers to the peiple still arriving | |||
Totus: Just enough time that the gov has developed a system to interview, examine, confirm not a threat, and issue housing and job | |||
application papers to the peiple still arriving | |||
Totus: (we can just assume among the mental magics are some translation spells) | Totus: (we can just assume among the mental magics are some translation spells) | ||
Kurin: *nodnod* yeah,that or some sort of world magic that converts Common to Sarseian-Common or whatever. | Kurin: *nodnod* yeah,that or some sort of world magic that converts Common to Sarseian-Common or whatever. | ||
Totus: And the many other commons out there | Totus: And the many other commons out there | ||
Kurin: okay, and you said roughly 20,000 years for them to get to approximately early-medieval? | Kurin: okay, and you said roughly 20,000 years for them to get to approximately early-medieval? | ||
Totus: From tribal id say. Its fast, about 40 to 50 thousand years faster than humans | Totus: From tribal id say. Its fast, about 40 to 50 thousand years faster than humans | ||
Totus: Honestly any faster and theyd probly blow themselves up | Totus: Honestly any faster and theyd probly blow themselves up | ||
Kurin: so something like this? | Kurin: so something like this? | ||
Totus: Wait the calamity happened in their early medieval era? | Totus: Wait the calamity happened in their early medieval era? | ||
Kurin: yeah | Kurin: yeah | ||
Totus: Ooof. But enemy weakened by lack of weave magic to absorb and with a looottt of warhammers that can be doable | Totus: Ooof. But enemy weakened by lack of weave magic to absorb and with a looottt of warhammers that can be doable | ||
Totus: Very bloody though | Totus: Very bloody though | ||
Totus: Gonna be a bit meat grindery until the nano suited adventurers arrive | Totus: Gonna be a bit meat grindery until the nano suited adventurers arrive | ||
Kurin: yeah, which is kinda the point. | Kurin: yeah, which is kinda the point. | ||
Totus: Fair enough | Totus: Fair enough | ||
Kurin: without not only the nano suits, but the minds of the adventurers piloting them, they'd probably have been knocked back into the tribal age or wiped out entirely. | |||
Kurin: without not only the nano suits, but the minds of the adventurers piloting them, they'd probably have been knocked back into the | |||
tribal age or wiped out entirely. | |||
Totus: Might add a launcher system to the military artifact site to get the nano heroes to the location | Totus: Might add a launcher system to the military artifact site to get the nano heroes to the location | ||
Totus: "Climb Into The Accelerator Sled Now!" | Totus: "Climb Into The Accelerator Sled Now!" | ||
Rogue: Oh fuck this man *is shoved in by warrior* | Rogue: Oh fuck this man *is shoved in by warrior* | ||
Kurin: hah X3 | Kurin: hah X3 | ||
Totus: I might suggest greek fire/powdered iron and aluminum poor mans thermite for fusing joints or burning enemies in tender spots | Totus: I might suggest greek fire/powdered iron and aluminum poor mans thermite for fusing joints or burning enemies in tender spots | ||
Totus: Give your heros something to dramatically stab at the heart of thee with | Totus: Give your heros something to dramatically stab at the heart of thee with | ||
Kurin: well all Sarseians have what is sort of an extended ATLA-style bending magic, so having a group of 'bending masters' with supersuits would be quite a big boost. | |||
Kurin: well all Sarseians have what is sort of an extended ATLA-style bending magic, so having a group of 'bending masters' with | |||
supersuits would be quite a big boost. | |||
Totus: Ahh that might be good yes | Totus: Ahh that might be good yes | ||
Totus: Balance the tides a bit for your normal medieval soldiers too... Not by much but itd help | Totus: Balance the tides a bit for your normal medieval soldiers too... Not by much but itd help | ||
Totus: Planning a battle against a global apocalypse is fun! | Totus: Planning a battle against a global apocalypse is fun! | ||
Anti-Weave Event - Catastrophe | Anti-Weave Event - Catastrophe | ||
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Weave | https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Weave | ||
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Dead-magic_zone | https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Dead-magic_zone | ||
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Story of Sarsei
21,000 BC to 20,000 BC - Creation
20,000 BC to 15,000 BC - Population Spread
15,000 BC to C - Artifacts Secured
C - The Arrival of the Calamity
C to 250 AC - Age of Calamity
250-500 AC - Age of Peace
500-520 AC - Rifts Form
520 AC Now
Sarsei's History - Questions[edit]
How far back does this society's written history go?
How far back do its people believe it goes?
How was this society founded? Who founded it and under what circumstances?
What were the chief powers in the time when this society was founded?
If it originated far away from here, how did it get here?
What is the worst disaster they believe they've faced?
What are the major events in this culture's past?
What was the best thing that ever happened to them?
What in their past makes them feel ashamed?
What in their past makes them proud?
What are they afraid of happening again?
What are they hoping will happen? Do they think it likely?
How strongly are people attached or connected to their heritage?
What do they assume the future will hold?
How has this society changed? Do its current members realize this?
What are the most popular stories about the past?
Who in the past is the greatest hero? The worst villain?
Do people think the present better or worse than the past?
Do people believe the future will be better or worse than the present or past?
The Founding[edit]
Its only sentient inhabitants, the Sarseians, suddenly came into existence a mere several hundred Sarseian years ago.
Due to Kao and Raish's influence on the planet's seismic activity, the Sarseians have learned to build primarily where seismic activity is weak, however there are significant ruins along fault lines, making Sarsei an archaeologist's dream.
Dotted along the landscape are many artifacts of cultural significance to the Sarseians.
In ancient times, artifacts were uncovered all across the world, seemingly placed there by the precursors. These artifacts have acted as natural gathering places throughout the ages, causing major cities to be erected around them. These artifacts come in diverse shapes, ranging from large crystals to huge complexes.
There has been a significant amount of physical evidence that the Sarseian people were brought into being a benevolent hyper-dimensional being. While the Sarseians do not believe this being to be 'God' in the traditional sense, they do revere him, despite him never having contacted them. Because of this, there is no reason to believe they have evolved from anything naturally, as there is a marked period when there is no indication of a sentient group having lived on the planet.
Through the artifacts left for them to find they were able to glean a little information about the being that created them and how he did so. While they do not understand how to make use of the fragments of information they have found, and possibly may never understand how, they have used this information to further their own abilities and understand them better. They believe, and have good evidence to support that the world itself, from the rocks, plants, wildlife, and even the sun is composed of energy that ebbs and flows all around them, allowing them to pull energy in from these sources.
While Sarseians typically cannot see the auras that surround them, certain individuals have been able to train themselves to be able to see not only the situational aura, which changes based on mood and health, but the base layers of the aura and see the fine nuances that make up their energy fields.
Because of this information they were able to categorize each energy type and aura into colors and elements that coincide with each other. They are also able to tell precisely which energy a Sarseian needs to be truly healthy, which may or may not be the primary auric color. Using certain gemstones and rocks, they have been able to amplify or dampen the flow of energy to create an equilibrium when the individual may be struggling to do so themselves, allowing them to heal physically or mentally more readily.
Because they have no reason to merely have faith in a supernatural being, they have no true religion, nor do they have laws or commands passed down from said being. Each of their artifacts prove to them their origins, and their purpose of existence.
History of the Rift - The Realm of Sarsei[edit]
I intend this to be an 'open world', so if you have ideas for history for places, or world events even, let me know. I'm more than willing to try to work things into the world. Feel free to make suggestions.
Outsiders are brought to Sarsei through Rifts caused by extreme emotion (joy, anger, sadness, etc) and are 'ripped' from their own space and time.
In rare cases, multiple individuals are taken, but typically it is a single person.
These individuals typically are children or adults, but in rare cases are teenagers or elderly.
These Rifts started happening approximately 20 Sarseian years ago, Sarsei-time, and have been happening more frequently in recent times.
The Rifts are irrespective of space or time, and may bring people from any level of technology, background, or race, and open immediately before they go through, and close immediately once the person is through.
Loose objects are rarely, if ever, sent through the Rift. Small objects and clothing that are immediately on someone's person (such as trinkets, weapons held in hands, etc) are usually Rifted, but whole backpacks, carts, etc, almost never make it through and are lost to the aether.
Rifting frequently causes transformation for most individuals.
The Myth[edit]
Age 1[edit]
The Calamity[edit]
After the Calamity[edit]
Individual Cities' progression after Calamity[edit]
Pantheon[edit]
Deities[edit]
Gods[edit]
Idols[edit]
RAW[edit]
Totus: A good rough cuts rule of thumb is every step in a global chain of events takes at least a year in non techy workds, and at least four months in A techy world
National chain of events steps take at least a month or two, or three or so weeks techy.
Regional a couple weeks to four, a weeks etc
Totus: These arent hard rules, but a good start point
Totus: Techy goes faster because more people get more info faster so emergancies and dire measures propogate faster
Kurin: *nodnod*
Totus: But thats not always the case
Totus: What kind of event you wondering about
Totus: (oh also any of thesesteps can be much much longer)
Kurin: it's also a bit weird cause Sarseians got a pretty big starting-boost as far as genesis. They literally were created by a hyperdimensional 'god' and placed on a planet specifically created for them to thrive.
Totus: Ah youre planning civilization development?
Kurin: yeah, just general beats, though. Like, current timeline of worldwide events is: Creation, Population Spreads, Artifacts Secured, A Calamity, An Age of Peace, Rifts Form, Today.
Totus: Well creation is utterly dependent on the super being. Snap fingers and fwoosh a planet or can low ball it and say it takes them an entire seven days. Or can go full supernortal and say it took em centuries
Totus: Population spreads is tricky.
On the one hand abundant resources will increase birth rates, but, itll also drastically reducenot only their travel until they run out of resources, but also drastically reduce their rate of advancement.
But once their starting area is barren wastes from over noms theyll spread out fast, but perhaps chaoticallh
Totus: Okay found a baseline population spread rate
Totus: Humanity was rendered endangered about 60,000 years ago. The only survivors were about 12-30 thousand people in what is now south afrika
Egypts kingdoms founded around six thousand years ago, unifying into egypt around five ish thousand years ago
Totus: So it took lets say rough cuts lets say 50,000 years for tribals to expand from bottom to top of africa and establish writing, law, and pottery
Totus: A nice round number to work with
Kurin: so I'm just gonna try to explain things as short as possible but:
Kurin: the 'god' created their world with artifacts that help them grow technologically, each artifact is capable of giving them clues for things like advanced written languages, building materials, agricultural advancements, etc. The Sarseians themselves were created en- mass, and were immediately given instruction, knowledge bestowed, like the ability to speak, write (crudely), and knowledge on how their bodies work, etc. and instructions on the general location of these artifacts. But since that time there has been zero contact from the god. So there's no 'maybe god exists' type faith, as they have written proof from thousands of individuals, plus concrete proof in the form of the artifacts.
Totus: Hmmmm... Tricky indeed
Totus: Generally faith in a god hamstrings development outside of art. And even that becomes recursive, however the tech loot drops would move things along...
Trick is beyond a certain level tech takes lotsa work, see Dr Stone and multiply by 100.
So itd be tricky to motivate people to go out and find the things, trickier to build the infrastructure and industry needed to make use of more advanced things.
However, any writing system and instruction would HAVE to be a huge leg up to jump start the beginning
Totus: Oh also this god is all about them getting more advanced
Totus: Call it a bit faster than humans. Maybe say.... 30,000 years to be all over the globe?
Totus: Well thats twice as fast but
Kurin: yup. It's kind of an out-of-necessity thing. He knew the Calamity and RIfts would happen, so in order to make it so the Sarseians wouldn't be completely and utterly wiped out when the first Rift happened, he needed to boost their development, hard.
Totus: Ahhh a religious faith to find the shiny tech boxes and capitalize on them or die! That could be faster
Totus: Prrrrobly a few set backs of the usual religious maniacs but probly trim it down to 20,000 years
Kurin: of course he couldn't just tell them 'yeah this event is going to happen in 20,000 years. Be prepared'. The whole point is not to know, but to be prepared anyway.
Totus: Mmmm 25,000 maybe then
Totus: Harder to motivate with vague threats, thats why christianity invented hell in the dark ages
Kurin: would 25k be long enough that 'proof' of a god turns to 'faith'? Because I definitely want to avoid that.
Totus: Now thats a fuckin tricky one.
One thousand years could be enough for fakers to be taken as faith (at least one of the religions has to be wrong irl and all of them had a faithful following in 1000 years)
Buuuuuuttttt.... If they KEEP finding proof, i.e. more shiny tech boxes, that should prevent that from getting too much traction
Totus: Youd probly end up with a few cults and all, but thats kind if a given.
Kurin: that's sorta one of the reasons I had the artifacts. Though it's less 'thousands dotted around the globe' and more '13 monolithic objects that dole out more information as needed'
Totus: Yeah if theyre still standing there and every fifty years they go "hey, ya tried blowing fire over the coals with a big squeeze box? Might be neeaaat!" Thatd probly still work
Totus: Id budget for them to break at least one of them tho
Totus: First rule of design, the user wont follow the instructions.
Second rule of design, they will find a way to break it
Kurin: heh X3
Kurin: the 13 artifacts I had come up with were:
Totus: Heh, but yeah hes a hyper smart guy. I bet he has a system for the other 12 to take up some slack if they break one
Kurin: All of these artifacts would be made out of a nearly-indestructable material (Think Graphene), and are far too large for even an excavation team to move.
Agriculture - An aqueduct network with seemingly no end to clean, fertile water.
Architecture - Massive library with thousands of blueprints, once it's proven they understand what they're trying to make, they're given access to it.
Body Energy - Two of these, one on either pole. Helps them learn mental/ethereal style magics, helps heal magical ailments.
Communication - Pair of parabolic dishes on either side of a massive chasm. Also imbues knowledge at random if one is standing inside it.
Culture/Art - 'Room of Requirement'-esque set of chambers specifically designed to aid focus and creativity, honing the ability to picture a creation in one's mind, and hone the body in order to create it.
Fertility - Massive crystal with an aura that exponentially boosts fertility and virility the closer you get to it.
Hedonism - Essentially a source of morale boost, never-ending (weak) wine from a fountain.
Medicine - Stasis pods, medical research facility, clean-room.
Military - Time-limited nanite suit assembly chamber (suit degrades after a week, and only creates one suit per day)
Naturism - Helps explain how different biomes and species coexist, cooperate and helps with symbiosis
Research - Robotically-assisted facility that helps individuals figure out technology. Engineer's playground.
Spirit - Massive telescope and observation dome on top of a mountain. Helps them contemplate the cosmos, where they came from, their purpose, etc.
Kurin: oh, also, Sarseians live a LOT longer than humans. roughly 270 years.
Totus: Sorry life a bit
Totus: The longer life span would likely slow down development a bit but would also ensure less was lost during set backs or collapses. So a slower but far steadier advance it sounds like
Totus: I am guessing the artifacts are intended to be discovered in roughly that order? Or close to it
Kurin: it's more of a 'everyone spreads out and discovers them at the same time, and builds cities around them' thing
Totus: Ahh. I imagine that caused some troubles
Totus: Suddenly someone has the best food and another has the best wine and another has the best tools.... And one has the best military
Totus: On the other hand thats kinda brilliant
Totus: Nothing teaches faster than war
Kurin: the last bit is why I specifically added the limitations to the nanite supersuit thing. Very limited effective range and numbers. And even once better transport is created, still limited numbers.
Totus: Although i should ask. What is this calamity they are being prepared for?
Streams of nightmare creatures? An eldritch empire from the rift? Or is it more a scientific based threat where theyll have to seal it away or deal with the environmental changes
Totus: What calamity comes out of the rifts
Totus: They may not know, but the super being mustve had a rough idea
Kurin: I honestly haven't figured that out yet, only that a small group (effectively high level adventurers) is able to prevent it from wiping out civilization. the rifts are their own thing, separate from the calamity.
Totus: Hmmm so its a thing that can be fought. That does narrow it down actually
Totus: Wont be an anomaly like The Black Moon's Howl or He Whom The Stars Wait For.
Likely some eldritch monster or group of monsters, maybe a small army/swarm... Unless these adventurers are meant to be interplanetary grade weaponry
Kurin: the latter seems like something probable
Kurin: Calamity age is supposed to be roughly medieval time period. Classic D&D age. It's now early-industrial era.
Totus: Oooh, a calamity showing up late, thats rarely good
Kurin: well, 'late' only because their precursor prepared them.
Totus: The calamity held off because they were prepared?
Kurin: had they just been plunked down on the planet entirely to fend for themselves, they'd probably have still been in hunter-gatherer age.
Totus: Oh wait i see
Totus: The calamity isnt late, the civilization is early
Kurin: exactly
Totus: Gotchya
Totus: Interesting. The calamity isnt altering its arrival, speeding up to catch them, because of their preparation, so its likely either
A: not intelligent... Or at least not as we understand it.
B: unable to control when it arrives
Or
C: doesnt feel like their prep time matters
Totus: As batman has shown us all, never allow your target preptime
Totus: Oh or D: it is unable to observe them and has no idea
Totus: Id say one of these must be true
Kurin: Probably A, B, and D.
Kurin: like some sort of space-plagueswarm or something.
Totus: Lets further narrow it down
Why did multiverse superbro not bitchslap it himself?
Totus: Note, if we examine the edges of the threat we can get a good idea of what it is
Kurin: Because he doesn't care if the calamity happens (it'd pass them and continue onward whether they existed or not), but he wanted HIS species to survive.
Kurin: like, picture a ripple in a big pool. The ripple is going to continue onward whether there's an obstruction or not. But if the obstruction is small enough, it'll be obliterated by the ripple.
Totus: So he cant stop it then
Totus: I mean, thatd be the big fix to ensure his people make it.
Kurin: Right, can't stop it, just ensure that his creation doesn't get destroyed before it can get going.
Totus: Would you call mr multiverse's powers more technological, mystical, or an even blend
Kurin: a blend
Totus: Note !SCIENCE! Might qualify for mystical if its wacky ebough
Totus: Iiiinteresing *scribbles*
Totus: Reviewing the artifacts real fast
Totus: Would you say these magics are based heavily on the mind and soul?
Psionics and Soulbound stuff?
Totus: Rather than more wide spread things like leylines and planatary alchemy and astrological?
Kurin: more widespread. If you don't mind a bit of a read, I can link you to info about how their magic works.
Totus: Itd help. I might know the threat
Totus: It depends entirely on if their magic comes from themselves or their environs
Kurin: Sharinnah-Okoti Organs, and the Kirat sections.
Kurin: the answer to that is 'yes' XD
Totus: Mmm
So to line up my theory
Totus: This being is absurdly potent but something about this threat he cant handle
Sooo.... Either A the Sars are doomed, or its a threat Captain Verse is particularly not effective against. But its not necessarily more powerful than himself
So itd stand to reason he would raise this civ specifically to either not have that weakness, or to have a strength that was effective where his own is not
Totus: So my thinking is its some kindof eldritch swarm that nulls or consumes environmental magic like a black hole eats light
Totus: With half his abilities hamstrung, he cant really deal with it
Totus: But a race that has learned a different way to fight... Might
Totus: Eldritch clockwork swarm of order and consumption
Kurin: this might actually be perfect.
Totus: Devour all and bring it unto order of a clockworked and deterministic universe
Kurin: specifically, because this is set in D&D mythos, where Weave magic is a thing. Except on Sarsei, weave magic is NOT possible.
Totus: Which is weave magic again
Kurin: so perhaps the Sarseians failed, but rather than being wiped out, they managed to survive but have no link to Weave magic.
Kurin: literally any and all D&D magic.
Totus: Ahh
Kurin: https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Weave
Totus: But yeah. So the old god has weave magic and super tech... But without the weave magic or it being unable to work on the threat, soooo he raises a new race with new magics
Totus: Sure when the apocalypse comes some of the magics fail, some lights fail, some spell containers explode, but unlike most civilizations the Sars still retain most of their magic and all their technology
Totus: (no system being perfect of course)
Kurin: exactly, yes. It'd still be a calamity, and maybe some magic-eaters are riding the wave and THAT would have destroyed them, but the 'Saints' (the adventuring party that saved them) managed to fend them off.
Totus: Plus in time the Sars would need to venture forth and fight back on worlds that did fall. But rather than victims they are now contenders
Totus: So the adventures continue!
Totus: (which is always a solid way to end a good story)
Kurin: so, that still means I have to figure out what sort of thing the Saints would be able to defeat.
Totus: Well this is doable really
Totus: Just a matter of scaling and how much oomph the heroes have
Totus: Also how much artillery support the military can give them
Totus: Never underestimate how much fire support can help the heroes
Kurin: true, yeah.
Totus: The multiverse god did raise a civilization after all
Totus: Even if their main job is evacuations, they can probably still fight back a little
Kurin: but yeah, how many years do you think it'd take a civilization like that to go from 'early medieval' to 'a lot of civilization needs to be rebuilt' to 'early industrial'?
Totus: (i love reminding evangelion fans that the gemstone angel was killed with human tech, an eva just pulled the trigger)
Totus: Well depends on a lot really buuuut....
Totus: Without dark ages can probably jump right from roman empire to renaissance honestly
Totus: Maybe a one hundred year gap for tech and figuring out some social issues
Totus: Call it 200-300 years from late bronze/early iron to the first factories
Totus: Cut that in half if they get a step by step guide on what an assembly line is
Totus: Roman roads and water ducts work fine after all
Totus: Add electricity and youre done
Kurin: so, starting from 'now' and working backwards...
Totus: Internet? Laser defenses? Short range plasma throwers? Drome swarms? Now now?
Totus: Another 300 id say with their tech help
Totus: Eventually theyll outpace the artifacts teaching speed
Totus: 13 teachers babbling like auctioneers couldnt explain all the tech we develop at the rate we do now
Kurin: well, 'today' on Sarsei is early-industrial. Dieselpunk-ish. And probably they're at the limits as to what the artifacts can teach.
Kurin: the most recent event to have occurred in the past is the Rifts.
Totus: With the nano suits and a few other advanced techs i suspect they have a few more outlier techs
Totus: Aircraft likely
Totus: Nano studies wouldve revealed composites i suspect
Kurin: definitely, but until they can figure out how to reverse engineer stuff, they'll be stuck in Dieselpunk for a while.
Totus: WWI ish?
Kurin: Rifts are fleeting portals that open up for just long enough to spit someone out from another plane/dimension. They seem to be caused by periods of extreme emotion (good OR bad), and rip the Outsider from their time and plane and drop them, stranded, on Sarsei, with no way back (because Weave doesn't work, so none of their own magic works). The Rifts tend to appear in or around populated areas, in gaps where there's no living matter (so you would never have a rift rip someone in half), and the traveler is not harmed in any way (other than maybe if they were dropped a few feet from the floor upside down or whatever).
Totus: The rifts not liking living matter suits the clockwork idea well too heh
Totus: Mmm. Do people ever get pulled in or fall into the rifts?
Totus: From Sarsei side i mean
Kurin: Some examples of Dieselpunk: Indiana Jones, Captain America, Rocketeer, Legend of Korra, Bioshock, FF7, Fallout, a lot of Ghibli films, FMA
Kurin: no, they're one-way exits from the Sarsei side. Occasionally more than one Outsider will be pulled through to the Sarsei side.
Totus: Mmmm travelers, friendlies, enemies, just here, all three?
Totus: Does normal wild life ever fall through? Someones mosstupus cow wander in?
Kurin: like, Bob watches his wife die to a robber, is stricken with such intense grief that it causes a rift to form, drags him through, he grabs onto his wife's body to try and stay on his home plane, but the rift takes him and his wife, plops them both on Sarsei, and immediately closes behind them.
Totus: Oooof yikes. Thats one mean rift
Kurin: only if someone drags it through with them. Otherwise, no. They're not permanent fixtures.
Kurin: they open, drag through, and close entirely in random places.
Totus: Well i think it might be somewhere between rockateer, captain america, and bioshock. The wide array of odd biologies and knowledge bases from other worlds to study would probably result in a few weird outlier technologies, like rocket jump packs or (reasonable)genetic augmentation
Totus: The Sars have proven talented at learning from others after all
Kurin: So it'd take maybe 50 years for the earliest Rifted outsiders to integrate into Sarseian society?
Kurin: or less, like, 20 years?
Totus: Fully? Probly about right. At least long enough for the hub bub to settle down
Totus: 20 years theyd likely have jobs and be living after the govs were done prodding and asking questions
Kurin: Rifts are an ongoing thing, just that it's slowed down over time.
Totus: Id also imagine that the worlds militaries note the rifts and are suspicious it might be a sign of imminent doom
Totus: 'Great Calamity is coming'
'Rifts are bringing weird shit'
General, we might wanna stockpile some rockets
Kurin: so, like, if it's 20 years ago that they started, it was probably 100-200 a day across the world, and down to 1-2 a day now.
Totus: To qoute Abridged Cell "OMINOUS!"
Kurin: yeah, the lowering of frequency of rifts would be just as ominous as if they were increasing in frequency.
Totus: Everyone likes a good count down
Kurin: so probably 20 years ago is the 'ideal' time for them to have started? It'd be a common thing now, people know how to deal with it, how to help the Outsiders integrate into society, etc?
Totus: Sure and hey, now that "Frank" the weird hairless monkey has finished his exit interview with the military he has some cool ideas about steam tube calculatrons!
Totus: "Hire him!"
Totus: Or "request his services"
Dunno how your society handles jobs
Kurin: *nodnod* will be going over that at some point soon X3
Totus: Since most copyrights came from the obelisks for centuries id doubt a pure capitalist society could be a thing.
On the other hand planned economies stagnate and nultiverse man would not allow a chance of that
Totus: But thats assuming money is even a thing
Totus: But yes. 20 years
Totus: Just enough time that the gov has developed a system to interview, examine, confirm not a threat, and issue housing and job application papers to the peiple still arriving
Totus: (we can just assume among the mental magics are some translation spells)
Kurin: *nodnod* yeah,that or some sort of world magic that converts Common to Sarseian-Common or whatever.
Totus: And the many other commons out there
Kurin: okay, and you said roughly 20,000 years for them to get to approximately early-medieval?
Totus: From tribal id say. Its fast, about 40 to 50 thousand years faster than humans
Totus: Honestly any faster and theyd probly blow themselves up
Kurin: so something like this?
Totus: Wait the calamity happened in their early medieval era?
Kurin: yeah
Totus: Ooof. But enemy weakened by lack of weave magic to absorb and with a looottt of warhammers that can be doable
Totus: Very bloody though
Totus: Gonna be a bit meat grindery until the nano suited adventurers arrive
Kurin: yeah, which is kinda the point.
Totus: Fair enough
Kurin: without not only the nano suits, but the minds of the adventurers piloting them, they'd probably have been knocked back into the tribal age or wiped out entirely.
Totus: Might add a launcher system to the military artifact site to get the nano heroes to the location
Totus: "Climb Into The Accelerator Sled Now!"
Rogue: Oh fuck this man *is shoved in by warrior*
Kurin: hah X3
Totus: I might suggest greek fire/powdered iron and aluminum poor mans thermite for fusing joints or burning enemies in tender spots
Totus: Give your heros something to dramatically stab at the heart of thee with
Kurin: well all Sarseians have what is sort of an extended ATLA-style bending magic, so having a group of 'bending masters' with supersuits would be quite a big boost.
Totus: Ahh that might be good yes
Totus: Balance the tides a bit for your normal medieval soldiers too... Not by much but itd help
Totus: Planning a battle against a global apocalypse is fun!
Anti-Weave Event - Catastrophe
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The Elemental Cataclysm and Celestial Convergence: A catastrophic event unfolded when a rare celestial convergence coincided with an elemental cataclysm on Sarsei. It began with the alignment of celestial bodies and the passing of a massive comet through the planet's atmosphere, triggering a series of calamities: Celestial Catastrophe: The comet's close approach disrupted the gravitational forces on Sarsei. Its immense size and composition caused severe atmospheric disturbances, resulting in violent storms, hurricanes, and erratic weather patterns. The impact of smaller meteorites intensified the devastation, creating massive craters and triggering earthquakes across the land. Elemental Surge: The celestial convergence amplified the elemental magic of Sarsei, causing an unprecedented surge in elemental energy. This surge went beyond the natural balance, leading to uncontrollable elemental forces ravaging the planet. Elemental energies ran amok, creating raging firestorms, massive tidal waves, lightning storms, and earth-shattering tremors. Dimensional Fractures: The intense celestial energy disrupted the stability of the dimensional rifts on Sarsei, resulting in dimensional fractures and rift storms. These storms unleashed chaotic interdimensional energy, causing sudden displacements of people, objects, and even entire regions. Temporal anomalies became more frequent, leading to pockets of time distortion and unpredictable shifts between different planes of existence. The combined calamity resulted in unprecedented chaos and destruction. Sarseians and interdimensional travelers found themselves struggling to survive amidst the cataclysmic events. They had to brave extreme weather conditions, navigate unstable dimensional rifts, and harness their elemental magic to restore balance and mend the shattered fabric of their world. In this scenario, the convergence of celestial and elemental forces creates a grand-scale calamity that poses immense challenges for the inhabitants of Sarsei. It also offers ample opportunities for epic quests, heroic deeds, and the exploration of the profound connection between celestial events, elemental magic, and interdimensional phenomena.